Meeting Minutes - February 9th, 2009

  • The 27th of April, we will have our meeting in Craik

  • Joss: (Ryan Muse RCE) interested in sharing productive capital. He has now put a space for us on the website that he has.

  • Roger has been tasked with leading the Sustainable Development Workshop for RCE's, in Montreal: Workshop at World Environmental Education Conference

    • As an application effort, we want to get many RCEs on board, so our project seems more favorable

  • Ecoclassroom: can we use it as a test case? 

  • We need to think of possible test areas. The kind of education we need for adults is much different for them than for typical students.

  • SEED Regina: one of Roger's former students is sitting on this independent, voluntary group within city council.  Roger might volunteer to get on the board and gauge acceptance of our ideas and also to get an 'in' with the city.

  • We have to stop stagnation in the repository: to what extent is there a self-critical capacity within the community that allows for ever growing empathy and identification within the system.

    • i.e. we give political freedoms but nobody has any meaningful choices

    • It is a matter of continual refinement

  • Web-based applications: provides a platform to enable a smoother continual kind of growth:

    • the application is on the server

    • web 2.0 crowd sourcing

    • user-generated content systems give a sense of of what needs to be done in the software and the system to CHANGE!

    • Fischer: It's a constant evolution of the software: seed, evolve, reseed (specifically in regards to SAP)

  • Roger gave a talk on citizenship and markets at the Philosophy Cafe:

    • Different levels of autonomy for human beings (if you want a full expression of autonomy what does it mean?):

      • Might be useful for talking about objects:

        • Negative liberty (freedom from interference)

        • Meaningful choices (substantive freedoms)

        • Individual has to have capacity to evaluate what is a meaningful choice (which necessitates education)

        • Capacity to revise ones own desires, evaluate impulses: this is not a matter of conditioning

        • Ability to formulate larger life plans: plan out long term strategies

        • What are the conditions necessary for the exercise of this autonomy:
        • What are the broader structural changes that need to occur in terms of how wealth is distributed
    • Can we think about these ideas in terms of capital? Reevaluate an objects function, but by what it wants to do: i.e. shovel can revise its own conception of what it can do and hence, assists the software in expanding its possibilities

    • What are the conditions necessary for a citizen to live a meaningful life?

      • Higher life plans; global life plans; talking about the longterm: what kind of a community do I want to live in, and what sorts of milestones do I want to achieve? (Harry Frankfurt: 2nd Order Desires)

      • Meaningful friendships

      • We might want our objects to prioritize life goals: i.e. 20% of its time an object can work towards a life goal

      • Collaborative space required to talk of life plans for a repository as a whole

      • Security of object; freedom from neglect and want; meeting essential needs of object; freedom from abuse

      • Maybe these categories can help us to put what we are talking about in its appropriate place: it is that analogy that propels the software to be amazing. Organized the program in a participatory way.

      • With these analogies in place, we know where the repository is going to go and we can predict the future in the long term. 

  • Sustaining Autonomy
  • What do we need to make sure this place prospers, especially if it might be vulnerable over long periods (due to fossil fuel shortages,corrosion, etc.)?  For instance, agricultural or irrigation equipment is useless after desertification: is there a way we can repurpose the equipment?
  • How does the repository respond under shortages?  Does it start researching fossil fuel replacements?
  • We might need to diversify the equipment so that we can hit it with anything and run it on anything: the more flexible all the items in the repository are, the more resilient and adaptive they are to new uses.
    • Important: all of this would simply not enter into our thinking if we were viewing the citizens of the repository as pre-autonomous.  Talking about the value of shared slaves would not lead to this sort of creativity.